When I saw the latest challenge from the Daring Bakers, I did a little skip of delight around the kitchen. We love lemon-flavoured anything around here – cakes, sweets, tarts, muffins, curd, alcohol, you name it - so having to make lemon meringue pie as DB ’homework’ (set by Jen at The Canadian Baker) was always going to go down well at Bird Towers.
Unfortunately, it didn’t work out quite as planned in the end and I would love to find out why.
The pastry came together well, no complaints there (especially easy if using a food processor). And the lemon filling turned out to be a mouth-puckeringly sharp and gorgeous treat - I would certainly make this recipe again as just a lemon tart and I thoroughly enjoyed playing with cornflour as I’d never used it to make a dessert like this before.
Nope, as you’ve probably guessed, my problem was with the meringue side of things. All looked promising as I eased the pie into the oven to cook off the topping – oh, yes, I was writing up this blog entry as a raving success in my head already. I was cruising this challenge. And it looked pretty darn good when it came out of the oven, even if I do say so myself.
But then it all went pear-shaped (or should that be pie-shaped?).
You see that picture above? Notice that little gleam of something around the edge of the pie between the meringue and the pastry? That’s not just the halogen lighting bouncing around the camera lens (curse winter night-time photography). That’s the pie starting to weep. And lo, it continued to weep – clear, unidentified liquid – for the next wee while, until the whole meringue topping was floating raft-like on a puddle of the stuff.
Eurgh. That’s not appetising by any standards.
Eventually, I took the pie over to the sink and carefully drained off the liquid before serving it up to some friends on Friday night. Luckily enough, they’re good friends and are used to having all sorts of food experiments inflicted on them, so they weren’t put off by the weeping meringue. The general consensus was that the pastry was a good ‘un and the filling was perfect – nicely sharp but not cloyingly over-sweet as you sometimes find in store-bought versions (I’m looking at you, Café Leon). Even the meringue, once you tasted it, wasn’t that bad.
So what went wrong? Could any of the following factors have affected the final outcome?
- My kitchen was extremely warm – I was cooking a big dinner and the pie had to cool down next to the oven on full blast because there was nowhere else to put it. Did it, in effect, start to melt?
- I think that last point might be extremely wishful thinking, so… did I do something wrong when I whipped up the meringue mixture? Definitely possible.
- Was there some kind of reaction between the luscious lemon filling and the fluffy meringue topping? I don’t know enough about the science side of things to say, but it’s unlikely – otherwise no one would ever make lemon meringue pie.
- Was my oven at the wrong temperature? I think this is the most likely explanation. I noticed that the meringue was browning rapidly – too rapidly for it to cook over the allotted 15 to 20 minutes and not come out looking like a charcoal lump with goo on the inside. So I turned reduced the temperature a little bit and kept an eye on it. I think I didn’t get the cooking time right for my oven after I’d fiddled with the temperature, leading to an undercooked, leaky meringue.
But if anyone else out there has any theories on how I made my pie cry, then please leave a comment below. I’d dearly love to know because, overall, I thoroughly enjoyed this challenge and would give it another go if I could work out precisely what went wrong!
I’ll add the recipe later, but if you want to see all the wonderful and creative versions that the other DB-rs made of this challenge, then take a quick trip over to the Daring Bakers Blogroll. Enjoy
Update: OK, I’ve found out how to stop the meringue weeping, thanks to Bellini Valli at More Than Burnt Toast. You need to add cornstarch to the meringue mixture because…
“It prevents the egg proteins from overcooking which causes shrinkage, beading or weeping in the meringue. Food stylists use this technique and have used it during photo shoots to produce beautiful pies.”
Aha! Suddenly it all makes sense!


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January 28, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Karen
Good friends are a lovely thing…and I love how you did the meringue. So pretty!
January 28, 2008 at 8:29 pm
English Mum
Oh my goodness me that looks lipsmackingly fantastic. Sod the weeping, pass me a big bucket of the stuff!! x
January 28, 2008 at 8:36 pm
English Mum
PS: We’ve been nominated!! Teehee!
http://gastronom.ie/sneak-peak-at-long-list-for-best-food-and-wine-blog-for-blog-awards-2008/
January 28, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Tartelette
Looks fantastic! Meringues and egg whites never behave the same ffom one dessert to the next no matter what precautions you take. It’s one of those baking mysteries. You did a fabulous job!
January 28, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Rachel@fairycakeheaven
Looks gorgeous Jen, next month will be my first daring bakers challenge and it’s such a pity I didn’t get to do this one as I LOVE LEMONS!!!!
January 28, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Jen
Hi Karen.
Thanks! I used a knife to swirl a pattern into the meringue and was pleased with the result.
Good friends are absolutely essential – for fun, laughter and hoovering up the results of any kitchen disasters! And, somehow, they’re still good friends after that last one…
Hey English Mum.
That’s one bucket of lemon meringue pie winging its way to Cavan right now
I saw that item about the nominations earlier today and I’m still reeling a bit – isn’t it fab? Are you going along to the awards night?
Cheers Tartelette!
It’s reassuring to know that meringues/egg whites are a mystery unto themselves – it hasn’t put me off though. Now I know about the cornflour trick, I’m going to have a stab at making the mini-versions for next weekend.
Hi Rachel.
Lemons are just wonderful, aren’t they? In fact, one of the layers of our wedding cake was lemon, such is our love of citrus
(The other was chocolate – no traditional fruitcake nonsense at our nuptials – we wanted a cake that everyone would enjoy.) Good luck with your first DB challenge next month!
January 28, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Trekkie
It looks fantabulous!!!!! But I’m sure you’ll make it again just to make sure that it comes out right next time.
Such a chore making (and eating) cakes……..
January 28, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Jen
Hiya Trekkie.
I know – we suffer for our art, don’t we
I’ve got a bit of time on Thursday, so I will dedicate myself to perfecting this tasty treat! Selfless, I tell you…
January 28, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Deb
Could have fooled me! This pie looks awesome! The meringue has such a beautiful color to it!
Good job!
January 28, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Bellini Valli
Excellent job on the pie!!!!! Eventually my pie weeped as well, but it was the filling. I think the lemon juice leaked out after a few days.
January 29, 2008 at 12:40 am
Tiffany
Sorry your pie weeped. Hope you can figure out why for next time!!!! At least it didn’t affect the taste
January 29, 2008 at 9:43 am
conortje
ohh Lemon Meringue is my favourite… I’m scared to try making it though especially now I know they can weep
January 29, 2008 at 11:38 am
English Mum
Me too, Con – something terribly symbolic about a pie that can cry!!
Jen: Ooh, I don’t know – would have to leave kiddies with Hubby and venture into Dublin alone … ooer!!
January 29, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Jen
Hi Winedeb.
Well, it still tasted lovely in the end and I’d be up for making it again, so it wasn’t all bad (once I’d drained off all the extra liquid). Although it was funny watching the meringue float around for a while
If you don’t laugh, you’ll cry…
Hey Bellini Valli.
Cheers! I’d read that too – the pie just doesn’t keep well and needs to be eaten up quite quickly. Well, a girl’s got to do what a girl’s got to do…
Hi Tiffany.
As far as I can work out, it was a lack of cornflour in the meringue. Apparently, that really helps bind the whole thing together and stops it weeping buckets. Will report back on my next attempt as I’m determined to nail this!
Hiya Conor.
Don’t be scared
It really wasn’t that bad. Just looked kind of weird but not in an X-Files sort of way. Love, love, love lemon meringue pie…
Hi English Mum.
I nearly called this post something along the lines of ‘While my meringue gently weeps’ but just about managed to hold back. Very unlike me
Am swithering about the awards thing. It’s all very flattering but, like a lot of people behind their keyboards, I’m quite shy in real life…
January 29, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Amanda
Well, it looks pretty fantastic from where I’m sitting. Did you make sure the meringue went right the way to the edge to create a seal? Listen to me sounding like an expert. I’m a novice, it was my first go at meringue and lemon curd and just pure luck nothing went wrong.
January 29, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Rosie
Gosh I’m drooling just viewing this magnificent LMP! It looks perfect from where I’m sitting and my favourite dessert of all time!
January 30, 2008 at 11:01 am
Jen
Cheers Amanda!
I did spread the meringue to the edge of the pie but then it shrank back again, so I didn’t spread it enough! All good stuff to know for next time
And congratulations on your first DB challenge!
Hi Rosie.
Thank you very much
It’s one of my favs also. I think that’s why I’m so keen to get it just right. The DBs have started something!
January 30, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Deborah
It sure does look great! It’s crazy how some people had issues with the weeping and some didn’t…
January 30, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Rachel@fairycakeheaven
ooooo Jen we had lemon too, and chocolate biscuit and coffee and walnut, none of that skanky fruit cake for us!!!!
January 30, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Angel
Fabulous Pie!!! The picture looks gorgeous, and from the sound of things the taste was great, and in my book taste comes before all else. I’m sure next time will be even more amazing!
January 31, 2008 at 4:14 am
Molly
I think this pie should be labeled a science experiment as well as a baking challenge. My family has pie that was invented by my grandfather. It has a graham cracker crust with a custard filling and topped with meringue. All the women in our family cook this pie and we all have trouble with it from time to time. I put it into a carrier if I take it somewhere because once it weeped really badly and spilled all over my lap as I was holding it in the car. I thought this site was interesting on this subject: http://ochef.com/904.htm And your pie is (was?) beautiful.
January 31, 2008 at 11:39 am
Jen
Thank you Deborah
I know… It’s strange, isn’t it? I wish I knew more about the science side of things… Didn’t pay enough attention at school…
Hi again Rachel
One of my favourite memories of the day, apart from actually getting married, was watching my 4-year-old nephew repeatedly running in and out of out of the room where we’d cut the cake, stuffing his face as he went. Needless to say he was a bit sick that night, but the look on his face when he was caught out was priceless. Don’t think he’d have done it if it was boring fruit cake!
Hey Angel.
You’re absolutely right – it tasted great and that was the main thing. I’m very much looking forward to future experiments!
Hiya Molly.
Definitely ‘was’ by now – it’s been gobbled up! It seems like lemon meringue is a scientific law unto itself… Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, even if you’ve made it many times previously. I’ll have a look at that website now – cheers for sending on the link
February 2, 2008 at 1:55 am
KJ
I don’t have any suggestions, sorry. My meringue behaved itself. They ways of egg whites are a mystery. The variable results from this recipe are fascinating.
Lovely that the pie was still enjoyed. It certainly looks gorgeous.
February 2, 2008 at 4:49 am
Lisa
Floating island of meringue aside, it looks like a beautiful tart
February 4, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Jen
Hi KJ.
Yep – it’s a mystery. I still haven’t tried remaking it yet – life gets in the way as per usual… Twas tasty though.
Thanks Lisa
It tasted lovely and everyone who ate it is still alive, so I count that as a success!
February 6, 2008 at 1:33 am
cookiedoc
Looks wonderful! I had to have your instructions to know what was “wrong” in the picture! Glad you enjoyed it.
February 6, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Jen
Cheers Cookiedoc
It’s all part of the fun. I thought I’d be disappointed if it all went wrong but turns out I’m mostly curious about why. But I ditched science a long time ago, so it’s a steep learning curve!
February 8, 2008 at 6:01 am
MrsPresley
beautiful pie! good job
i just joined the DB this month, just checking out everyone else’s blogs, wanted to say hello
February 8, 2008 at 8:00 am
Jen
Hello Mrs Presley
Thanks and welcome to the DBers!
February 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Lynn Chadsey
The essential trick lies not in adding cornstarch to the meringue mixture, which changes its taste and texture, but to be SURE that the meringue is perfectly sealed to the outer edge of crust all the way around, absolutely no lemon filling visible. It’s tricky, but that really works
It was gorgeous, anyway,and sounds as though the filling was delish, too!